Cost to Install a Heat Pump

When researching Heat Pumps, there isn’t much real information available on the cost to install a Heat Pump. Nor is there much information on how much it would really cost to run a heat pump. There are multiple sources explaining how heat pumps work and I’ve read dozens of them hoping glean little bits of the information I was looking for. The only way to find out the cost to install a heat pump is to get quotes and get started.

Getting heat pump quotes was just as infuriating as getting quotes for my crawlspace repairs. But I believe the bias was against heat pumps themselves, rather than a slur against female intelligence. Either way two of the three quotes were shit.

But here’s the thing, for the first 10 years living in this house, I was married to a plumber. And yeah, plumbers don’t know heat-pumps, but my ex had drinking buddies who spent a lot of time sitting at my kitchen table shooting the shit and drinking beer. I learned a lot just by listening to the bluster and bullshit. If nothing else, I learned that plenty of tradesmen and HVAC guys are very traditional. They were set in their ways 30 years ago and they haven’t become any more open to new ideas as they’ve hit their 50’s and 60’s.

Heat Pumps Have Evolved.

Heat pumps are not new, they’ve been around in North America for at least as long as those HVAC guys that sat around drinking beer at my kitchen table. And yeah, the first heat pumps kind of sucked. They blew cold air in the winter and struggled to keep up when temperatures dropped below a certain point. Heat pumps have come a long way since then, but a lot of the old guard hasn’t kept up.

The First Quote

Unfortunately I wound up discarding the first quote in a fit of filing but it was entirely inappropriate. First off, while it was a quote for a ductless system, it would have only ever worked as a supplemental system. It called for 3 heads – One in my living room and 1 in each bedroom. The salesman took very few measurements. He didn’t even look in one of the bedrooms he meant to install part of the system in. The rooms in my house flow into one another in somewhat of a U shape and his plan would have left an entire leg of the U with no source of heating or cooling. It is also the hottest leg of the U – the kitchen and small utility area with the hot water tank in the summer and way less hot in the winter. Yet this completely ineffective system could be mine for the super low cost of around $19,000.

The Second Quote

The second quote came from a company that has done nearly all of my HVAC work in the past. One of the more disappointing quotes, but understandable because the guy was the same age as me – old enough to have been around for those early heat pumps that really didn’t work in my climate. The owner (s) are older people, definitely more traditional. Also as a company they had little interest in taking advantage of the Greener Homes program to expand their business and it showed in the quote.

The quote was for a hybrid system with a Natural Gas furnace to back up the heat pump. None of the equipment quoted was eligible for the government grant, which means none of it was eligible for the government loan.

He quoted:

So to understand my problem with this quote, the salesman felt 40,000 BTU was needed to heat my home in the winter, but quoted a Heat Pump only capable of producing 18,000 BTU of heat. So in effect I was buying a traditional gas furnace and a/c system because that is all it would have ever functioned as. But I would be paying top dollar to ‘say’ I had a heat pump. Top dollar to the tune of $16,500 plus HST.

My impression of the salesman was that he was more of an installer than salesman. Working in skilled trades can be hard on the body, those who are able to shift to sales as they get older will. He did a lot more measuring and note taking than the first salesman, but in the end  still a no-go. The quote was for equipment that would have had me still primarily heating with Natural Gas, would have left me ineligible for the grant, and paying interest to finance the purchase and installation.

The Third Quote

The third quote came from a company actively pursuing those heat pump installations. It was also a company that had a form of certification from the brand of heat pump I was interested in. What this tells me is it is a company actively embracing new technology and investing in training their employees. What it got me was a Heat Pump system that actually works as a Heat Pump.

The salesman spent at least 2 hours taking measurements and notes. He went in the crawlspace. Once the initial quote was sent we had more discussion via email. In the end I went with a ductless system.

My Ductless Heat Pump System

  • Mitsubishi Ductless Condenser Multi-Zone 48k Hyper Heat Pump $12749.00. A 42k unit would have met my needs but for some reason is not included in the list of equipment eligible for the Greener Homes Grant.
  • An 18k BTU head for the living room – $2,243.00. This one also covers the dining room and to some extent the kitchen.
  • A 12k BTU head for the Master Bedroom – $2011.00
  • Three 6k heads – $1998.00 each. One for the secondary bedroom, one for my office (also heats utility area and to some extent the kitchen) and one in the bathroom. The one for the bathroom was completely optional, just a choice I made to add. I am happy I made that choice, but the bathroom would have been fine without it too.

Total cost including linesets, branch box and installation was 23,997.00 plus HST.

Comparing Final Costs

So to compare the second quote with the final cost:

Quote 2 Quote 3
COST $16,500.00 $23,997.00
HST $2,145.00 $3,119.61
Subtotal $18,645.00 $27,116.61
Less Grant Amount $0.00 -$5,000.00
10 yr Cost to Finance $5,086.10 $0.00
Final Cost $23,731.10 $22,116.61

 

Getting Rid of the Asshole Light

You might be wondering what exactly “The Asshole Light” could be. Well let me explain.

Christmas tree and oddly placed light fixture and switch.See that light next to the Christmas tree? That is an asshole light. So you’re probably thinking it’s a bit awkward looking with the switch right below it, but why do I call it the asshole light? Well there is some history behind that light.

How the Asshole Light Came to Be

So way back in my 20’s, me and my now Ex-husband installed a gas furnace and no longer needed the wall furnace that had previously heated our house. My now Ex kept yammering on about how a wall sconce would look really cool on that now empty wall. I kept pointing out that it wasn’t centered in the wall, it would look stupid and I didn’t want a ducking wall sconce there.

Except one day I come home from my mother’s, toddler on hip and there is a goddamn outdoor coach light installed on the wall. In my living room. A cheap black plastic coach light!

I raised holy hell over that light but my Ex being the jackass he was, ignored me and the mockery of his friends. I never could get him to remove it but I did at least get him to replace it with a light meant for indoors before he became the ex.

Cue forward a few years…

The husband has become the Ex, I’m still living in the same house. So I’m doing some renovations (new roof, getting rid of the skylight that leaked, etc.). My Dad is helping with the electrical and rather than just stubbornly refusing to do something like my Ex would, my Dad explains stuff.

So my Dad patiently explains to me that I can’t get rid of the asshole light because the power feeding several plugs goes through that light and there isn’t enough wire to get rid of it without losing the plugs or adding an exposed junction box somewhere.

Fine.

I buy yet another light fixture but the light is still off-center in the wall with the switch right below it and it still looks stupid. It is a constant irritant because it’s something my Ex did and it’s right there mocking me every day.

The Light Bulb Moment…

Last summer I learned how to wire plugs and I’ll be honest, went a little mad with this new power. In total I added 5 new plugs in places that had always been lacking. This is why you see so much missing drywall in the pictures I’ve shared in previous posts like here and here. But one place that I really wanted a plug was in my closet.

It might seem odd to want a plug in the closet but my house is less than 1,000 sq ft. In a house that small, a 4′ x 8′ closet is a significant space and not having a plug in there limits what I can use the space for. But even when it’s just a closet, having a plug means various battery chargers have a spot to live in.

What does a closet plug have to do with the asshole light?

Well you see, the closet is on the other side of the wall the asshole light lived on. So what if I kill two birds with one stone?

What if I take the wiring from the asshole light and turn it into a plug in the closet! So I did.

And now instead of having a really stupid looking wall light, I have this and new plug number 6 in my closet. It only took 25 years or so, but the asshole light is finally just a memory.

The Really Really Big Project

 

With the back half of my living room floor flat and hump free, it was time to tackle the really big project – the front half. For the front half I didn’t have to rip up as much sub-floor so it was less disruptive for day to day life. But the issues in the front half took more time and work to resolve.

Why the Floor Dropped

Looking at the picture above under the 3rd tile seam from the left is the main beam for my house. The wall to the left is the main load bearing wall in my house. That wall should have been built over the beam. I am using the term “beam” loosely because it’s actually just three 2 x 6 of random lengths nailed together. Over time, the weight of the roof pushing down on floor joists caused the joists to deflect and the beam to start separating.

Undersized joist hanger number 8 or 10 common screw

Making the project more complicated, there is a lot of plumbing going on in the front half of my crawlspace along with my furnace. In the end none of what I did would meet any building code. It didn’t meet code before either. Instead I had to take comfort that all of my work was additions to the support of my house, not subtractions. Also the 20 or so 1-1/4″ common screws that held up the center of my house have been replaced with the appropriate fasteners. I added a beam under the main load bearing wall.  I laminated three 2 x 6 together for the beam and jack posts to support it.

Doorway CrackThen I added a double floor joist under the doorway so it’s no longer held up just by subfloor.

 

Wrapping it up

Hat’s off to the DIY bloggers who can carry out big projects like this and blog them as they are happening, because I’m not one of them. Crawling around under my house with bottle jacks was one of the most stressful things I have ever done. Doing it while living in the house just ramped the stress up even more. At some point I started referring to the crawlspace as downstairs and the living space as upstairs.

I do have a picture of my youngest screwing down the final piece of new subfloor. My favorite tool is that mini sledgehammer with the orange handle. Her name is Bertha.

Plus I have this picture. Placing furniture in this location without having to adjust the legs used to be unfathomable. Yet here is a book shelf sitting directly on my new sub floor AND sitting level. Is the living room floor perfectly level now? No it’s not, but I did manage to achieve flat enough for flooring and I’m good with that.

Tackling the Hump in the Floor

I really did not want to tackle the hump in my living room floor myself. Seriously. I’m 52 and not exactly physically fit. If we’re being totally honest, my champagne taste wants to just pay people to do this shit, but my beer wallet isn’t having any of it.

So after getting 2 wildly different quotes, it was clear – to me at least – that the only way I would ever have a flat or nearly flat living room floor was if I did it myself. Let me start by saying that this post is in no way, shape, or form meant to be a tutorial or a how-to. If I had money, I would still push this house down in a heartbeat, but since I don’t have money at least now I have a normal looking living room floor.

How it Started…

After a month of reading, researching and watching YouTube videos, I tore up my living room subfloor starting with the old tile and 1/2″ underlayment.

Dog in middle of floor being pried up
Gabby laying in the middle of where I’m trying to work

If you’re looking for it, you can probably see how much the floor humps up in the middle. Those bricks at the top of the picture are the story of that hump. My house used to have a fireplace but back in the 40’s when it was built, the geniuses decided a footing really wasn’t needed for a tall skinny chimney. Inevitably the chimney started tipping away from the wall and we tore it down when I did the siding. As the chimney fell back, it lifted the front of the hearth and created the hump.

Once that underlayment was gone, it really became apparent how bad the subfloor was. With floor joists on 24″ centers it’s a good thing I never got into fish keeping as a hobby. The floor could not have carried the weight of a fish tank. Some of the planks were so thin, I honestly don’t know how the couch didn’t just end up in the crawl. That 1/2″ underlay was working hard you guys.

Room with floor missing and dirt showing between floor joists

With the old tongue and groove subfloor removed I could tackle this hump. Earlier my son had taken the top layer of brick down. The hearth used to stick up through the floor – I wanted it out of sight and out of mind.

Fixing the Hump

Pressure treated wood attached to brick, floor joists attached to pressure treated wood with joist hangers

I re-routed some of the wiring through the wall and out of my way. Then I attached a pressure treated 2 x 6 to the blocks with appropriate masonry screws. After trimming  the joists just enough to fit, I attached them to the 2 x 6 with joist hangers and properly sized nails. This had the effect of dropping the center of my living room floor at least an inch (I think it was really 1-1/2″, maybe even two) and the hump was now gone.

In case it isn’t clear from the above picture, the north wall of my crawlspace is a single block high. There are absolutely no footings – just a plop of mortar or cement and then the block. My house has no footings. Sill plates are not attached to the block either. Whoever built the house just slapped down a dollop of mortar and set the sill plate on top. Somehow it’s still standing 60 years later so I kept my focus on what I could fix or improve.

A Few Odds and Ends…

With this part of the living room floor open and the crawlspace accessible, I took full advantage. I added a 3rd light in the crawl and a bunch of plugs where they were lacking. Then I ran Cat 6 Ethernet cable to my office, my sons room and the north wall of my living room. Along with that I ran antenna cables and internet cables to any place I thought they might be needed.

Before closing everything up, I also removed any debris that would interfere with encapsulating and insulating the crawlspace. Plus I sucked up six decades of cobwebs and dead spiders with the shop vac. You guys, the cobwebs were so thick in places it was like sucking up batt insulation.

Putting it Back Together…

Very cluttered room with some plywood on floor but floor joists still showing

With everything I wanted to do in the back half of my crawl done, it was time to lay some plywood.

Room with less clutter and plywood covering majority of floor

Bear with me while I point out some details here. First look at the back of the couch where the two sections meet. Prior to all of this the 2 sections would have angled away from each other. Next look at the buffet along the back wall – it looks pretty level doesn’t it? Then look at the light. That section of floor used to have such a significant slope to it the light would have looked like it was leaning back. It’s the main reason I wall-mounted the TV. I lived with that hump for 30 years, and it is finally gone!

Next up the really hard stuff – the front of my crawlspace and that drop.

Getting Crawlspace Repair Quotes While Female

Within my normal social/work circle, I tend to forget sexism is still a thing but getting crawlspace repair quotes was an eye opener. Now I’m willing to extend the benefit of the doubt to the guys who quoted me for heat pump systems. Not that they weren’t shitty quotes, but I believe they would have given the same shitty quotes to a man. I think they just didn’t believe in heat pumps.

But the crawlspace repair quotes had me livid.

I had two companies quote. Both quotes were wildly different and neither was talking about my crawlspace. Now to clarify, my furnace is in the crawlspace and I have lived in this house since 1991. I have lived in this house single since 2000. In all that time someone was changing furnace filters, checking on leaks, putting down rodenticide, basically all the crap that has to be done to maintain a house with a crawlspace. That someone was me, because if I had the kind of income to pay someone for that crap – I would not be living in this particular house.

Now my crawlspace is a nasty place to spend any time in. It’s dirty and spider infested. It’s damp and smelly.  The worst part is the back half is claustrophobicly tight. There are spots without even have enough room to roll over. Forget hands and knees – you get around by army crawling.

My House has Issues

Going into this, I knew there were structural issues going on under my house. It wasn’t rocket science – all you had to do was walk into my living room to see the hump in the middle.

One inch drop in living room floor
Third tile from the wall is my main beam. Look at that drop to the left.

Or the 1″ drop in the corner and the main beam sitting proud. I would show you more pictures, but I was always careful to exclude those details whenever I took pictures so there really aren’t many – at least not any ‘before’ photos. You will get to see plenty of during photos.

I also want to be clear that my issues with the quotes I received had nothing to do with the quoted cost. My complaint is these people came into my home and gave me sales pitches that did not describe my house. They assumed I did not know my house or how the structure of a house is supposed to work.

Crawlspace Repair Quote #1

Generally for anything I start with a Google search. So the first company to come and give me a quote was the top result when I searched “Crawlspace repair near me” and I did later end up having them do work for me – but that first quote was a disaster.

So guy number one arrives. I show him the hump in my living room floor, the 1″ drop to the front of the beam.

Doorway CrackI show him the crack in the doorway between my kitchen and dining room and the bounce in the dining room floor. Then he goes in the crawlspace and I hear him bumping around – it really is a tight fit. Once he’s done, he goes to his car does some stuff and comes in to deliver his estimate.

You guys! Buddy actually sat there and told me – with a straight face! – there was nothing wrong with the structure of my house. That there was no rot, my joists, rim joists, beam and everything were all fine! He gave me an estimate for encapsulation of the crawlspace and to insulate the foundation. And honestly for the scope of work on the estimate, the price was right around what I expected, but everything else the guy said was a bald-faced lie.

Crawlspace Repair Quote #2

The second quote left me thinking I was in the middle of a Goldilocks and the Three Bears fairy tale. And again, my beef isn’t with the cost. The estimate given was probably exactly right to genuinely fix the structural issues I’ve got going on in this house. My beef was with the pitch I was given. So I pointed out everything to guy #2 that I had pointed out to guy #1 and guy #2 goes under the house.

Now had guy #2 come up and said anything about the fact that the main load bearing wall in my house sits 2 feet in front of the beam instead of on it which is what caused that 1″ drop in the floor I would have felt respected. Had he talked about the fact that the reason my door way between the kitchen and dining room was cracking is because there was no joist under the wall, I would not have felt like I was getting snowed.

Undersized Joist HangersIf instead of talking about “rusty” joist hangers he had talked about undersized joist hangers attached with common screws instead of nails I would have agreed with him. So guy #2 quoted around $20-28,000 to repair the structural issues with no encapsulation/insulation of the space. That would be on top of the repair work. Also, I would still have a hump in my living room floor.

And that is how I wound up spending what felt like the entire summer, in my crawlspace.